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Re: My take on this
Posted by Dante on 2012-July-17 18:33:14 EDT, Tuesday
In reply to Re: My take on this posted by lee lette on 2012-July-17 10:02:20 EDT, Tuesday
"I don't presume they would not since I believe that children often do try to initiate such contact but it is not in their interest that an adult acquiesces. The child is mainly in no position to know the full consequences of their actions and like many other areas adults have a position of responsibility of care towards them which includes not initiating actions that might result in harm at some later stage. Children are always trying to push boundaries - that is in their nature as they mature but it for their welfare that we control these desires appropriately without simply giving in and seeing it as 'what they wanted.' "
There is no area of human growth in which the person who desires to develop has the knowledge ( at ANY stage ) which comes with experience and practice. Its a given that you learn as you go, and you learn by doing.
Nor is it the case that growth is an on/off-switch; its a process which never ends.
Sexuality is the sole exception governed by magical thinking. Its the one associated with an arbitrary natal anniversary, before which practice is never allowed and after which mastery is presumed.
If we compare across cultures I believe we find little risk in normal development with allowing sex-play along with all other forms of play. And there are stronger sources of harm associated with the practice of driving skills, hunting skills ( presuming we aren't in a culture where hunting is a "sport" rather than a necessity, ) and athletic skills.
And yet, despite the number of accidental deaths, we don't treat swimming or driving as something which cannot be practiced below a magic arbitrary age. Nor do we leave the training to peers who also have not been allowed to practice. ( "I think you pull the clutch before you take off the brake? At least that's what Bobby told Suzie." )
Further, unlike many other skills which have a right way and a wrong way, sex is ( when not done purely for procreation ) a form of affection and play. All mammals are more playful in their childhood. And in all cases this is necessary for rehearsing the skills they need as adults. By deferring childhood sex-play until well into biological adulthood, we place it past the period where the student can gain the most benefit from practice. And in doing so we create stunted joyless adults who obsess with what they were denied back when it was natural and normal.
All the fetishization of sexual characteristics and their deflected usage in advertisements and elsewhere may stem from not allowing a sexual context for exploring things sexual when the interest is there.
Dante
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- Re: My take on this - lee lette on 2012-July-17 20:29:02 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 64)
- Exceptionalism - Dante on 2012-July-17 23:00:57 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 63)
- For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-18 10:51:46 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 62)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - Dissident on 2012-July-19 05:16:01 EDT, Thursday - (3 / 0 / 12)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-20 00:14:22 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 5)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - Dissident on 2012-July-19 17:23:33 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 4)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-20 11:35:20 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-19 17:27:05 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - Dissident on 2012-July-19 17:23:33 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 4)
- Re: For dissisent if I may! - rocinante on 2012-July-19 15:42:43 EDT, Thursday - (3 / 0 / 5)
- 'Dissisent' responds :-) - Dissident on 2012-July-19 18:25:49 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- 'Recruiting' = 'Grooming' - Dante on 2012-July-19 18:20:31 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: 'Recruiting' = 'Grooming' - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-20 01:30:52 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- what? - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-19 16:51:44 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: not a monster - rocinante on 2012-July-19 17:11:01 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-20 00:14:22 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 5)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - Dante on 2012-July-18 22:11:17 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 5)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-20 00:32:25 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 4)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-19 16:14:30 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 3)
- I can't argue since I'm no philosopher. - nt - lee lette on 2012-July-20 11:38:21 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: I can't argue since I'm no philosopher. - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-20 19:23:16 EDT, Friday - (3 / 0 / 1)
- Re: I can't argue since I'm no philosopher. - lee lette on 2012-July-21 10:06:58 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: I can't argue since I'm no philosopher. - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-20 19:23:16 EDT, Friday - (3 / 0 / 1)
- I can't argue since I'm no philosopher. - nt - lee lette on 2012-July-20 11:38:21 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-19 16:14:30 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 3)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-20 00:32:25 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 4)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-18 19:49:42 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 42)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-20 00:54:16 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 40)
- I am Abraham's Naughty Boy - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-19 17:22:28 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- No atheists in trenches? Bullshit. - griffith on 2012-July-19 14:06:10 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 38)
- Re: No atheists in trenches? Bullshit. - lee lette on 2012-July-20 11:50:00 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: No atheists in trenches? Bullshit. - Dissident on 2012-July-20 21:46:49 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: No atheists in trenches? Bullshit. - Dissident on 2012-July-19 17:45:37 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 26)
- Observer Effect - Dante on 2012-July-19 18:41:23 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 22)
- Straw Man Effect - Dissident on 2012-July-20 06:16:12 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 21)
- 3 Quantum researchers ( not ) vs 1 ( real ) - Dante on 2012-July-20 11:06:04 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 20)
- Excellent post--NT - Markaba on 2012-July-20 21:51:48 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- You think that... - Dissident on 2012-July-20 22:43:08 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: You think that... - Markaba on 2012-July-21 04:19:11 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- You think that... - Dissident on 2012-July-20 22:43:08 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- The interconnectedness of all research - Dissident on 2012-July-20 21:24:44 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 10)
- Re: The interconnectedness of all research - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-21 08:49:08 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: The interconnectedness of all research - hieronymus on 2012-July-24 01:43:00 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Keeping it shorter and sweeter. - Dante on 2012-July-21 08:34:41 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: Keeping it shorter and sweeter. - Markaba on 2012-July-21 09:04:49 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: The interconnectedness of all research - Markaba on 2012-July-20 22:10:43 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 5)
- Yes, but are there any poeple here? NT - griffith on 2012-July-21 11:20:56 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 3)
- We are all Poeps - Lil'Grundoon on 2012-July-21 21:20:47 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Hail Eris! -nt- - Baldy on 2012-July-23 00:06:18 EDT, Monday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Like--NT - Markaba on 2012-July-23 23:58:24 EDT, Monday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Hail Eris! -nt- - Baldy on 2012-July-23 00:06:18 EDT, Monday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- We are all Poeps - Lil'Grundoon on 2012-July-21 21:20:47 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: The interconnectedness of all research - Dissident on 2012-July-20 22:29:57 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Yes, but are there any poeple here? NT - griffith on 2012-July-21 11:20:56 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 3)
- Re: The interconnectedness of all research - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-21 08:49:08 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- ...enter into a bar. (nt) - Sexiest GLer of All Time on 2012-July-20 19:27:01 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 3)
- Re: ...enter into a bar. - Lil'Grundoon on 2012-July-21 07:42:45 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- A Higgs boson walks into a church . . . - Markaba on 2012-July-21 09:12:59 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- LOLs. God-Particle, indeed :) NT - Dante on 2012-July-21 09:18:01 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- A Higgs boson walks into a church . . . - Markaba on 2012-July-21 09:12:59 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: ...enter into a bar. - Lil'Grundoon on 2012-July-21 07:42:45 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: 3 Quantum researchers ( not ) vs 1 ( real ) - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-20 18:53:22 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: 3 Quantum researchers ( not ) vs 1 ( real ) - Dissident on 2012-July-20 22:21:43 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Excellent post--NT - Markaba on 2012-July-20 21:51:48 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- 3 Quantum researchers ( not ) vs 1 ( real ) - Dante on 2012-July-20 11:06:04 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 20)
- Straw Man Effect - Dissident on 2012-July-20 06:16:12 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 21)
- Re: No atheists in trenches? Bullshit. - griffith on 2012-July-19 18:40:30 EDT, Thursday - (3 / 0 / 2)
- Atheist! - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-20 12:53:19 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- I hope you feel better soon, old friend - Dissident on 2012-July-20 04:54:57 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Observer Effect - Dante on 2012-July-19 18:41:23 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 22)
- Re: No atheists in trenches? Bullshit. - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-19 16:22:31 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 8)
- Re: No atheists in trenches? Bullshit. - Dante on 2012-July-19 18:09:11 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- I was not criticizing you or lee lette -- - griffith on 2012-July-19 16:28:47 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 6)
- Re: I was not criticizing you or lee lette -- - Dissident on 2012-July-19 18:28:57 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 5)
- False analogy - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-20 12:43:03 EDT, Friday - (3 / 0 / 4)
- Re: False analogy - Lil'Grundoon on 2012-July-20 09:03:06 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: False analogy - Sexiest GLer of All Time on 2012-July-20 18:44:43 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: False analogy - Dissident on 2012-July-20 06:25:40 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: False analogy - Dante on 2012-July-20 08:59:37 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: False analogy - Lil'Grundoon on 2012-July-20 09:03:06 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- False analogy - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-20 12:43:03 EDT, Friday - (3 / 0 / 4)
- Re: I was not criticizing you or lee lette -- - Dissident on 2012-July-19 18:28:57 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 5)
- Re: No atheists in trenches? Bullshit. - lee lette on 2012-July-20 11:50:00 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Hi, qtns-nt - Dissident on 2012-July-19 05:18:58 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-20 00:54:16 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 40)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - Dissident on 2012-July-19 05:16:01 EDT, Thursday - (3 / 0 / 12)
- For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-18 10:51:46 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 62)
- Exceptionalism - Dante on 2012-July-17 23:00:57 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 63)