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Re: My take on this
Posted by lee lette on 2012-July-17 10:02:20 EDT, Tuesday
In reply to Re: My take on this posted by Baldur on 2012-July-17 09:08:15 EDT, Tuesday
Why do you think this is incongruous with a child's normal life?
From what I see every day in children, how they behave towards each other and towards adults and from virtually everything I have seen regarding pre-pubertal children. I know the possibility exists for some children to be involved sexually with adults but it might be difficult to disentangle the relationships so as to find the truth. In general I think that much of the child's sexual experiences comes from either exploration and sex-play or from differential maturity or development and although often it will not be harmful it often is when older children induce those younger into sexual activities that problems occur, particularly when they do not have the necessary frameworks in place to understand the situation and perhaps the ability to decline such involvement. I think the power and knowledge differential is even greater with adults and so there are many more dangers. How are we to determine if someone has an entirely welfare position, although sexual, towards children or if they simply desire to treat them as sexual objects.
What is a normal childhood and why do you consider it normal?
Not sure here as I can only recall the one I had but in my mind an abnormal one is one that sticks out such as those who are sexually abused by siblings or adolescents or even adults. To me that is what is abnormal. I was aware of a few cases of that in my childhood.
What is the real cause of problems derived from sexual contact: the sexual contact itself, or societal condemnation of the same?
As I mentioned I think it is mainly the sexual contact itself although I will admit that the effects of societal condemnation will probably have a marked affect on many.
Why do you presume that children would never be interested in pursuing their sexuality with adults if it were not for such societal condemnation?
I don't presume they would not since I believe that children often do try to initiate such contact but it is not in their interest that an adult acquiesces. The child is mainly in no position to know the full consequences of their actions and like many other areas adults have a position of responsibility of care towards them which includes not initiating actions that might result in harm at some later stage. Children are always trying to push boundaries - that is in their nature as they mature but it for their welfare that we control these desires appropriately without simply giving in and seeing it as "what they wanted."
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- Re: My take on this - Dante on 2012-July-17 18:33:14 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 65)
- Re: My take on this - lee lette on 2012-July-17 20:29:02 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 64)
- Exceptionalism - Dante on 2012-July-17 23:00:57 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 63)
- For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-18 10:51:46 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 62)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - Dissident on 2012-July-19 05:16:01 EDT, Thursday - (3 / 0 / 12)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-20 00:14:22 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 5)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - Dissident on 2012-July-19 17:23:33 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 4)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-20 11:35:20 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-19 17:27:05 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - Dissident on 2012-July-19 17:23:33 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 4)
- Re: For dissisent if I may! - rocinante on 2012-July-19 15:42:43 EDT, Thursday - (3 / 0 / 5)
- 'Dissisent' responds :-) - Dissident on 2012-July-19 18:25:49 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- 'Recruiting' = 'Grooming' - Dante on 2012-July-19 18:20:31 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: 'Recruiting' = 'Grooming' - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-20 01:30:52 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- what? - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-19 16:51:44 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: not a monster - rocinante on 2012-July-19 17:11:01 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-20 00:14:22 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 5)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - Dante on 2012-July-18 22:11:17 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 5)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-20 00:32:25 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 4)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-19 16:14:30 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 3)
- I can't argue since I'm no philosopher. - nt - lee lette on 2012-July-20 11:38:21 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: I can't argue since I'm no philosopher. - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-20 19:23:16 EDT, Friday - (3 / 0 / 1)
- Re: I can't argue since I'm no philosopher. - lee lette on 2012-July-21 10:06:58 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: I can't argue since I'm no philosopher. - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-20 19:23:16 EDT, Friday - (3 / 0 / 1)
- I can't argue since I'm no philosopher. - nt - lee lette on 2012-July-20 11:38:21 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-19 16:14:30 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 3)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-20 00:32:25 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 4)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-18 19:49:42 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 42)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-20 00:54:16 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 40)
- I am Abraham's Naughty Boy - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-19 17:22:28 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- No atheists in trenches? Bullshit. - griffith on 2012-July-19 14:06:10 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 38)
- Re: No atheists in trenches? Bullshit. - lee lette on 2012-July-20 11:50:00 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: No atheists in trenches? Bullshit. - Dissident on 2012-July-20 21:46:49 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: No atheists in trenches? Bullshit. - Dissident on 2012-July-19 17:45:37 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 26)
- Observer Effect - Dante on 2012-July-19 18:41:23 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 22)
- Straw Man Effect - Dissident on 2012-July-20 06:16:12 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 21)
- 3 Quantum researchers ( not ) vs 1 ( real ) - Dante on 2012-July-20 11:06:04 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 20)
- Excellent post--NT - Markaba on 2012-July-20 21:51:48 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- You think that... - Dissident on 2012-July-20 22:43:08 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: You think that... - Markaba on 2012-July-21 04:19:11 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- You think that... - Dissident on 2012-July-20 22:43:08 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- The interconnectedness of all research - Dissident on 2012-July-20 21:24:44 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 10)
- Re: The interconnectedness of all research - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-21 08:49:08 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: The interconnectedness of all research - hieronymus on 2012-July-24 01:43:00 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Keeping it shorter and sweeter. - Dante on 2012-July-21 08:34:41 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: Keeping it shorter and sweeter. - Markaba on 2012-July-21 09:04:49 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: The interconnectedness of all research - Markaba on 2012-July-20 22:10:43 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 5)
- Yes, but are there any poeple here? NT - griffith on 2012-July-21 11:20:56 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 3)
- We are all Poeps - Lil'Grundoon on 2012-July-21 21:20:47 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Hail Eris! -nt- - Baldy on 2012-July-23 00:06:18 EDT, Monday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Like--NT - Markaba on 2012-July-23 23:58:24 EDT, Monday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Hail Eris! -nt- - Baldy on 2012-July-23 00:06:18 EDT, Monday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- We are all Poeps - Lil'Grundoon on 2012-July-21 21:20:47 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: The interconnectedness of all research - Dissident on 2012-July-20 22:29:57 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Yes, but are there any poeple here? NT - griffith on 2012-July-21 11:20:56 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 3)
- Re: The interconnectedness of all research - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-21 08:49:08 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- ...enter into a bar. (nt) - Sexiest GLer of All Time on 2012-July-20 19:27:01 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 3)
- Re: ...enter into a bar. - Lil'Grundoon on 2012-July-21 07:42:45 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- A Higgs boson walks into a church . . . - Markaba on 2012-July-21 09:12:59 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- LOLs. God-Particle, indeed :) NT - Dante on 2012-July-21 09:18:01 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- A Higgs boson walks into a church . . . - Markaba on 2012-July-21 09:12:59 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: ...enter into a bar. - Lil'Grundoon on 2012-July-21 07:42:45 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: 3 Quantum researchers ( not ) vs 1 ( real ) - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-20 18:53:22 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: 3 Quantum researchers ( not ) vs 1 ( real ) - Dissident on 2012-July-20 22:21:43 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Excellent post--NT - Markaba on 2012-July-20 21:51:48 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- 3 Quantum researchers ( not ) vs 1 ( real ) - Dante on 2012-July-20 11:06:04 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 20)
- Straw Man Effect - Dissident on 2012-July-20 06:16:12 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 21)
- Re: No atheists in trenches? Bullshit. - griffith on 2012-July-19 18:40:30 EDT, Thursday - (3 / 0 / 2)
- Atheist! - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-20 12:53:19 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- I hope you feel better soon, old friend - Dissident on 2012-July-20 04:54:57 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Observer Effect - Dante on 2012-July-19 18:41:23 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 22)
- Re: No atheists in trenches? Bullshit. - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-19 16:22:31 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 8)
- Re: No atheists in trenches? Bullshit. - Dante on 2012-July-19 18:09:11 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- I was not criticizing you or lee lette -- - griffith on 2012-July-19 16:28:47 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 6)
- Re: I was not criticizing you or lee lette -- - Dissident on 2012-July-19 18:28:57 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 5)
- False analogy - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-20 12:43:03 EDT, Friday - (3 / 0 / 4)
- Re: False analogy - Lil'Grundoon on 2012-July-20 09:03:06 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: False analogy - Sexiest GLer of All Time on 2012-July-20 18:44:43 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: False analogy - Dissident on 2012-July-20 06:25:40 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: False analogy - Dante on 2012-July-20 08:59:37 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: False analogy - Lil'Grundoon on 2012-July-20 09:03:06 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- False analogy - qtns2di4 on 2012-July-20 12:43:03 EDT, Friday - (3 / 0 / 4)
- Re: I was not criticizing you or lee lette -- - Dissident on 2012-July-19 18:28:57 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 5)
- Re: No atheists in trenches? Bullshit. - lee lette on 2012-July-20 11:50:00 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Hi, qtns-nt - Dissident on 2012-July-19 05:18:58 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-20 00:54:16 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 40)
- Re: For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - Dissident on 2012-July-19 05:16:01 EDT, Thursday - (3 / 0 / 12)
- For dante, qtns2di4 and Baldur - lee lette on 2012-July-18 10:51:46 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 62)
- Exceptionalism - Dante on 2012-July-17 23:00:57 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 63)
- Re: My take on this - lee lette on 2012-July-17 20:29:02 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 64)